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I listened to them in high school. And there music and attitude isn't any worse than any of the other rappers out there. I know most of the rap bullshit I've heard over the years tell people that shootin people and doing drugs and going to prison make you hard and therefore cool. So just saying that icp are bad influences for that is a moronic statement. Icp got the most hated band in the world title because they got into it with Eminem not because of their attitude. Yeah they don't give a f*ck what you think of them, and they arnt good influences on the world but they aren't all bad either, they put their nieces nephews and other family members through college, started and funded their own hunger drives, are major donor's to the salvation army and more.
I no longer find the music amusing and I never did the crimes or drugs or murders but I do think they get more shit than they deserve
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Thanks Bob, You really put what I couldnt put into words for me. and Tex... You should like send me them as vinyl groups on Forza Horizon... You Know....
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And there music and attitude isn't any worse than any of the other rappers out there. I know most of the rap bullshit I've heard over the years tell people that shootin people and doing drugs and going to prison make you hard and therefore cool.

Ask me about those particular artists and I'll say the same thing I say about ICP. They don't understand the influence they have on the lifestyle choices of their listeners. They hold a lot of power, being a voice their fans want to hear. No, if a person shoots a person because a rap song made it seem cool, the rapper shouldn't be held responsible. The decision to shoot someone falls solely on the person holding the gun. But the people who glorify this lifestyle and urge others to live this way through their lyrics should realize the influence they can have and consider that maybe they're not helping.

You'll never hear me blame what I consider "terrible music" for people doing stupid shit. The same goes for film or videogames or any other creative medium. But you will hear me say that if you stand by and instigate, you should expect to have a finger pointed at you for being a part of the problem.

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So just saying that icp are bad influences for that is a moronic statement.

Saying someone is a bad influence for being a bad influence is common sense.

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they put their nieces nephews and other family members through college, started and funded their own hunger drives, are major donor's to the salvation army and more.

That's very nice to hear. But doing the right thing doesn't give you a get out of jail free card for being a public ass hat. Maybe if they made their campaigns for good the focus of their image it would help, as opposed to telling kids to do drugs and rob people.

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I no longer find the music amusing and I never did the crimes or drugs or murders but I do think they get more shit than they deserve

If the image you put out there to the public is that you're willingly choosing to be an asshole and that you love when people hate you and you don't care, then you are getting exactly the amount of hate as you deserve and you ask for.

To delineate violent videogames versus ICP lyrics (before this becomes a tangent), violent videogames do not literally tell your kids to commit crimes and do drugs. In fact, in most cases, the games do a very good job showing the consequences of living that kind of lifestyle. ICP, on the other hand, literally tells your kids to their face that they should live life like a disrespectful piece of shit.

I had a jean jacket with the sleeves cut off, covered in patches and safety pins. I used to tag the freight cars down at the train yard in my hometown. I listen to punk music. I used to have a huge problem with authority figures. I play my music loud. I was a hooligan once - but you know what I never did? Hassled anybody. I never sold drugs or disrespected anyone's property outside of an abandoned building or a train car. I never caused any real problems for anyone, or suggested other people should.

I never had to be a piece of actual shit to other people to be considered "edgy" or "hard" or get respect from other punk-ass kids who thought they were tough or scary because they had piercings or crazy hair or wore ripped clothes. ICP are a bunch of shit-talking literal clowns who may or may not actually be as "hardcore" as they claim - at the end of the day they're just a couple of idiots with access to a microphone. I can pump myself up to be some scary unhinged thug through rap music, too. Anyone could with the right image. And even if any of the bullshit they spout is true, what does it prove? That they're shitty human beings and nothing more.

You need to give respect to get respect - that's how I was raised. I haven't been attacked by a Juggalo, so there's that. It hasn't yet (and I doubt it ever will) affected my life that these guys exist - so I guess the bottom line is I think they're a shitty rap group that makes shitty music and I just don't possess the malformed frontal lobe it must require to appreciate their music.
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TL;DR I'm always right and if I don't like it then it sucks
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LOL!!! did he just compare ICP to other rappers? Thats what the entire problem is. Bunching shit up into a thing as a whole and considering it junk. PLEASE....There are PLENTY of rap artist out there that do way more good for the genre than that. Seems to me you are focusing on the bad. ICP was complete and utter dogshit BEFORE the got into with Em...that fued did nothing but increse their popularity among the lamers that listened to them. Ive been listening to rap when it was thought just to be a fad and now look at it. I see more white boys trying to get into it now "cuz its the cool thing to do" Take old skool artist like Public Enemy, Eric B and Rakim, Run DMC, Beastie Boys, they new how to hold it down. And take the new guys Talib Kweli, Common, Mos Def, Lupe Fiasco they get it in without claiming to be a thug. Dont make a broad statement based on the main stream unless you know rap like i do. And if you care to debate, get your research on cuz im going off pure knowledge...

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Every rapper that Kru mentioned is legit. I'm the countriest boy you will ever meet and I love all of their music. Doesn't matter who you are, where you come from, music is music. I don't like it when people do what Kru mentioned, bunching shit together and calling it junk. Do I have a big problem with most rap? You betcha, but then there's the rest that I legitimately like.

The one thing that we can all agree on is that music does promote idiotic lifestyles and very poor choices. Being involved in law enforcement, I've seen some stuff.

When you come face to face with drug mules from th Hell's Angels or being in a gas station that is MS-13 controlled, yeah..you can come to terms with bad lifestyle choices.
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I agree with ya broski! There's a bad seed in every group. Being that I have 5 daughters I definitely have started paying attention to lyrics over the years. I have respect for all music country to classical. Why? Because it takes a skill that I don't posses. Do I listen to it all. No sir but respect them all that's for sure. I guess my main problem is that people act like they can't think for themselves and want to "follow the leader". I grew up on Tom and Jerry cartoons but you won't find me blowing shit up with dynamite or hacking off tails with a hatchet.

I will admit what Kuma said..music promotes idiotic lifestyles.....is the absolute truth. And it also amplifies the underlying issues in society. Emo kids crying out for pain, urban kids thinking that the key to being successful is a Bentley and a big gold chain, rockers thinking that 1000 day coke binges is the way to be. And not to get off track but ICP is right there in the heart of the nonsense. And they look like poo pushing knob gobblers but somewhere some kid thinks that they are they best shit since sliced bread. I crave the old days where music was music and it didn't depend on how many asses shook in your video or how many downloads on I tunes you got. Hell what I REALLY listen too is Chicago House music and even thinking about it brings a smile to my face!

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No the most hated band is BrokenCYDE.  But I like them.  ICP is for potheads but there song "homies" is pretty awesome. But that's it
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So kru you think they shouldn't be compared to other rappers? because I can't think of any other genre of music besides maybe death metal that talks more about killing and drugs. Yeah im sure there are some rappers that arnt "thug" as you said it. And ive only ever heard of 2 in that list you mentioned.

Btw the only "drug" I've ever heard icp promote is weed which is slowly becoming legalized anyway (already legal in Colorado)

I listened to icp and a ton of other stupid shit for years and I didn't even tag train cars or abandoned buildings. Never did any real drugs (smoked weed a few times) never killed anybody and neither did any of my friends who listened too or still listen to their music. And honestly its just music. I listened to icp because I found the lyrics amusing and funny not serious at all, I always thought rap was garbage and still do.

idk if they were/are as "hardcore" as they claim to be but I do know they didn't grow up on the good side of Detroit so maybe they've been through some shit idk
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any other genre of music besides maybe death metal that talks more about killing and drugs.

Don't even get me started on that sentence, i will quite literately make you feel stupid for how wrong you are.
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Music promotes lifestyles yes BUT, most of the people that listen to that music dont actually do what the music promotes. Like, Bobthegama said, They only drug they've promoted was Weed, and slowly becoming Legal. I like all types of music. Like Kru said, Listening to old Music. It does make you smile if you Honestly appreciate it. Does anyone else listen to Blues? Like the Blues Brothers? :3
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And ive only ever heard of 2 in that list you mentioned.

THIS would be the cause of concern here.....you are comparing an entire genre based on a serious lack of knowledge and facts. Most of the bullshit rappers talk about drugs and killing because its what sells records. The almighty dollar is greatly out weighing common sense here. If this were true the majority of rap songs would be a sort of confession. Maybe some of these guys did what they said, the majority haven't.  I would say most of your rap groups or artist with some sort of longevity are NOT on this bs. Outkast, Nas, Busta Rhymes, QTip, LL Cool J, BDP, Camp Lo, Dead Prez all these groups are around by not getting into that bs. True rap heads will know what I'm talking about and will agree. So to sum it all up in a nut shell, I think you are putting out a very blinded one sided point of view. And by no means do I have any ill feelings toward you or am I trying to attack you. I ENJOY a good debate and love it when it's about something I know ALOT about. In my opinion, ICP is like Soulja Boy....just plain shitty. But that's me. My question to you is do you even listen to rap? And not the hokey bs they put on the radio either but real shit, with a message, story or motive.


Here's a list of music I listen too.
Old Skool rap (Nas,Run DmC, Das EFX, Leaders of the new School, etc.)
Old Skool house (Kashmere, Julian Jumpin Perez, TooKoolKris)
New Gen rap ( jay-z, Kanye, Rick Ross, 2Chains, Kendrick Lamarr, Wiz Kahlifa)
90s grunge rock (Nirvana, Bush, Pearl Jam, etc)
80s Hairbands (Poison, Def Lepard, Slaughter, etc)

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+1

I can't stand most of todays rap artists but im a devout listener alot of Underground and Alt rap.

Most of the guys on the Rhymesayers label are on my itunes, Guys like Logic, Hopsin, J Cole, Mac Miller and Wax are constantly on repeat on my Ipod
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Bren knows whats up! Lol

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So when did this become an argument on what's good music? I'm pretty sure I was saying you can't just hate one group because of what some of there songs have in them, when they aren't the only band that puts in their music.
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It seems to me like their lyrics weren't the only thing that annoyed them or caused them to hate ICP. Thing is, what's popular DOES have an effect on people. Do you really think all the people that smoke weed would smoke it if it wasn't promoted by rap and dubstep and the like? I know they wouldn't. If something is popular, regardless of how it becomes popular, even if it's just that it's repeated in songs over and over, it will be drilled into people's minds and they'll want it. That's why twerk is now officially a word.. And everybody seems to be doing it.

Sad thing is, it works somewhat with intelligence. I listen to alllllll kinds of music. There's a not a genre that doesn't appear on my ipod. There are a lot of intelligent people out there that make music, and it rubs off on me. Akala, he's a British 'rapper', and i've never known a more intelligent person when it comes to common sense and seeing the truth behind the lies we're fed. I suggest finding some of his freestyles on Youtube (Fire In The Booth, maybe). If people like him were more popular and allowed into the charts, our youth would hear what they have to say and take it on board. The reason people rap about guns, drugs and girls and people sing about love is because that's what's popular and what sells.

These idiots go out of their way to drill it into kids minds, and yeah, it might be a joke and they might be doing it to take the piss, but the young audience that listen to it aren't going to see it that way.
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KRu, can't forget about Led Zeppelin!
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KRu, can't forget about Led Zeppelin!

No you can't!

@Bob no man I wasn't arguing the point on whats good music. There are good music in all genres! I would like to hear about what you currently listen too!

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I rarely listen to music anymore. I'm rock/metal/alternative and that's about it anymore. I did country for a while kinda faded away, never was big on rap, pop makes my ears bleed, techno is okay, classical is good just not something I listen to much, screamo lyrically is just noise, death metal is just a lol to far for me.
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Lmao ! I hear ya on the death metal! Just wee bit outside my circle.....Smile

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